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Something higher than money …

After many days, I am here with my family. I discuss a lot with my parents. The topics are many, covering almost any topic on the earth. While talking, we covered the topic of financial status of all the relatives we have. Most of them are crorepatis. My parents were talking about who is earning what and how lavishly someone lives.

I respect money, I need money, and also, I earn money. Money is needed but not at the cost of your being. The point which I raised was, though many out of us were earning in lots, only a very few of them have grown up in human aspects.

Birds gather food and strive for a secured nests. Animals also for the entire day go on hunting food and strive for a secured dwelling place. And, man also is doing the same. Money does not make man separate, distinct from animals. Do we have anything which makes us distinct from animals?

Someone might ask if something like this exists or not. The answer is, all of us encounter such persons who are more human than us. Many time we come across some persons who are living their life rather than just surviving. These people always tell me that do not compromise your being for money.

It is said that man constantly searches for unknown. I do not find this search for unknown any where. It seems, man has just sold away all his thirst, his wonder for the unknown, the explorer inside him for the sake of money. What we need to teach our children is, the fact that there is something higher than money. There is something which has to be found. Every child should be told that he is just a lump of clay, he has to shape himself.

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discussion on ‘Osho is fraud or not’ with Nikhil Sheth

To get entire background of this dialogue, I would request readers to please read Following conversation which took place just before this…..

http://www.mandarkaranjkar.com/osho/discussion-on-osho-is-fraud-or-not-with-mr-yashwant-kulkarni/

Later on, Nikhil Shteh voluntarily joins the discussion. What goes on is as follows…

Nikhil Sheth – and thats why I like people like Dnyaneshwar, Tilak, Tagore more than Rajnish and Maharshi’s…:) When you read the former, you wake up in the morning, work the whole day for real and speak in terms of tangibles for you and society.. when you read the later, you are in something confined for yourself, and selling something unknown, unknowable and unnecessary…:) Nishkam nantar, aadhi karmayog tari yeu de…:)
btw, Yashwant, people arrive at the similar conclusions treading different paths… but arrive all the same.. may be, Mandar needs some time and experience, no need talking to him. Let him reach there. No hurries. Everything needs certain maturity, some time. No use of feeding anything indigestible.8/4
Nikhil Sheth – 1. and yes, for faith you need no reason.. because absence of reason is what the faith is… right Mandar???
2. And of Nirvana, I dare you say you no nothing. For, there have been many bhondus everywhere in history.. Not a single unreasonable person left impact for long…
I would like you to call upon the reason behind the major hypothesis of reincarnation, and your belief in that which forms the platform for people to believe in Nirvana.
3. Citing many distinguished personalities, referring to their quotes and deeds – are you not trying to reason with something? Are you not trying to prove something to yourself/people? Why do you get hurt if someone calls Rajnish a bhondu? Is it not an ego of knowing something about something which some people out there no nothing of? Is it not your way of trying to prove the superiority? What does it cater?
4. How many hours you meditate?? How many books have you read?
So, Mandar, you believe io such kind of quantification? Even when you praise Kabira for being ‘enlightened’ without undergoing all kind of religious education, you want to know what have Yashwant read before considering him eligible to discuss the matter with you? You want to know how much he meditates in order to hold him equal of you?? If this is not ego then what is???

Earnest request. Dont try to refute my points simply finding out logical holes or posing counter-questions or citing eminent personalities. If you really have reasonable answers, please enlighten me..:)
And dont worry,.for I will not put all this on my blog which “really” has the readership of ‘thousands’ (it is my ego)8/4

mandar karanjkar – @ Nikhil:
1. Yes…absence of reason is trust…..you must meditate…you will get it 🙂 not a business of cheap guys….
2. You have poor knowledge of religion and the psychology beyond it…these all were toys….hope you donot understand 🙂
3.Yes…he was not a bhondu…then he was a bhondu, THEN BURN ALL THE SCRIPTURES, DECLARE ALL SAINTS AND GODS AS FRAUD 😀
4. Yes….meditation is needed….poor cheap guys believing in reasoning and all,,,,,religion isnot your cup of tea 🙂 you do study history…… 😉 just information, no transformation 😀
As far as my talking with Yashwant is concerened, I wanted to know this all to know from point he is speaking…many a times a beginner and an expert say same thing with drasticallt opposite reasons….I hope atleast Yashwant understands this….again, i hope, you do not 🙂
And I am going to post this also on my website…let people enjoy!!!
and yes, as far as defeting your points is concerned, none of them is yours…..borrowed information 🙂 🙂 copy paste job….. 🙂 its not even worth reading yaar….
i can also give you thousands od sites proving my point…..its just useless…..:)
i hope again you do not understand…….
🙂 take care!Edit8/4
mandar karanjkar – @ Nikhil, Yashwant : I find Yashwant genuine…..may be his experiences differ from mine…but i can sense what he is talking, is authentic……..he has really experienced what he says…..But you know Nikhil, what you say is Udhaar….i laugh when i see something marvelous like you… 🙂 life is still remaining…..go and read something, contemplate, meditate…… 🙂 you badly need it.. 🙂
@ Yashwant: I will not claim that I am at the end of journey…there may be many miles to go……let us see what it brings…..

 

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Discussion on ‘Osho is fraud or not’ with Mr. Yashwant Kulkarni

Mr. Yashwant Kulkarni had written some post saying Osho is a fraud. Here is a discussion which we had later on….
Yashwant Kulkarni, Marathi, Hindi, English Translator – @ Nikhil….>>>>I am in no way as knowledgeable regarding osho as the author of post or you. If you think the author is wrong/one-sided, say so to him- I would learn many things from such a correspondence<<<<<

Well I am here and read all opinions cited by Mandar… I humbly wish to say that I am not in mood to held a debate on this issue with anybody coz I have satisfied myself that this old chap Osho was a Biggest Fraud ever walked under the name of a seer beyond the time. So no surprise Mandar cites so many positive opinions about Osho.

Osho was materialistic as well as psychological conman. And this comes from my own experience.

If anybody is really interested what he committed I have already given a link to coverage carried by Oregonian Newspaper of those days. Pl. See those 20 articles.6:39 pm

mandar karanjkar – All the claims made by oregonian news papers and cheap sites can be demolished by a single book named 12 days that shook the world….. @ Yashwant: i am not also in mood to debate….its useless…its matter of personal psyche, trust and understanding…..i respect your views, decision but all this makes my trust even deeper…Edit7:12 pm
Yashwant Kulkarni, Marathi, Hindi, English Translator – Thanks for saying that Mandar.

>>>this makes my trust even deeper..
Isn’t this funny…? Trust in whom and for what? He all the way through demolished all kinds of trusts and beliefs..
Let it be.. this is endless riddle.7:20 pm

mandar karanjkar – @ Yashwant: Yes, it may sound funny to you… 🙂 A meera dancing with Iktara, A Ramana Maharshi reading comics, A Majnu, A Van gogh….you may find these all funny…….
You should read a lot….you ask trust in whom…..trust does not require a object….it does not require a reason. So, the question for what is also rubbish….If you find the reason and then trust, does your trust has any value?Edit7:44 pm
mandar karanjkar – ANd I will also like to tell….spirituality is not a business of Baniya people….by bania i mean, people who are interested in calculation, who need reason to keep trust. This is business of mad people. If you can see, all the enlightened people had a madness in their blood. Buddha Followed different masters for many years leaving his wealth. I would like to ask, had he any reason to trust that there is something called Nirwana? This was his madness….in other words, his sanity…So, my humble request is, those who think spirituality is also like business and deal, where you see, verify and then sign the deal, please think again.Edit7:52 pm
Yashwant Kulkarni, Marathi, Hindi, English Translator – This is all romantic stuff.. Meera dancing with Iktara.. A Ramana Maharashi reading comics… what does it make sense whatever they may do..? He had in habit of exploiting everybody’s psyche using his articulated skills of hypnotism…. That supplied him everything for his life.. every luxury.. But you have provided by him a very sweet and idealistic excuse that he was living in luxury coz he wanted to unite spirituality and wealth.. That old chap feeding his greeds..7:52 pm
mandar karanjkar – I would like to ask you one question…what is your interest? self transformation or putting someone down?Edit7:53 pm
Yashwant Kulkarni, Marathi, Hindi, English Translator – Those questions carry no sense.. the journey I caused by him such a trivial that anything I would say will carry no sense… But in a world where we live.. such peoples are called Fraud.. and no excuses should be made.. I want only that.7:56 pm
mandar karanjkar – No…it is the only sensible question in the world…..Please answer….what is your interest?Edit7:57 pm
Yashwant Kulkarni, Marathi, Hindi, English Translator – I wanted to know if really is there any such world he wasted his life describing with those shining words… I was curious.. damn curious … I wasn’t interested in achieving it.. But I am now at such a point that I cannot set any aim to be achieved..because I don’t know anything about it.. and nobody does… only somebody pretended to be known it.. that was Osho who turned to be Fraud..8:01 pm
mandar karanjkar – I am waiting for your answer :DEdit8:02 pm
mandar karanjkar – One minute Gentleman…….Tell me, how many books of Osho you have read? How many Audio/Video you have studied? I want to ask, how much have you known the person directly, without any medium in between?Edit8:04 pm
mandar karanjkar – and please answer the question only….answer just the number and names of books……Edit8:05 pm
mandar karanjkar – this is getting interesting…i am informing you that this whole dialogue will be posted on my personal website for thousands of my readers :)Edit8:06 pm
Yashwant Kulkarni, Marathi, Hindi, English Translator – I have listened and watached and read every book, tape and cassette that is there in the market.. I was just 5 year old when he died.. so never seen him face to face.. only through these means.. How can I give names and number of books? Piles of books..8:06 pm
Yashwant Kulkarni, Marathi, Hindi, English Translator – >>>>this whole dialogue will be posted on my personal website for thousands of my readers 🙂
ok.. doesn’t matter.8:07 pm
mandar karanjkar – The whole point of Osho books is killing reasoning,which is outcome of ego. The purpose reading Osho is becoming simple…what i find is, people get furious by reading them. It means, anger still remains inside…Edit8:08 pm
mandar karanjkar – All the blames of Calder can be nullified by the book 12 Days That shook the world….have you read it???????Edit8:10 pm
Yashwant Kulkarni, Marathi, Hindi, English Translator – Oh man! Just think you have no ego.. U will turn into a stone..! each and every human action is outcome of human ego or in more simplified word his living instinct…
It doesn’t matter unless you focus on EGO… killing EGO was a very attractive reason to exploit those maddies.. Killing ego and what you will do by killing Ego?
You answer this..8:12 pm
mandar karanjkar – you say”Oh man! Just think you have no ego.. U will turn into a stone..!” would you say that Kabira was a stone? I think he was the most lively person on the earth……and asking again…have you read the book?Edit8:14 pm
Yashwant Kulkarni, Marathi, Hindi, English Translator – Don’t speak in past tense… speak of me and you.. I don’t know any Kabira… how does it influence my life if anybody lived without any ego?8:15 pm
mandar karanjkar – Okay…have you read the book 12 days that shook the world??Edit8:16 pm
Yashwant Kulkarni, Marathi, Hindi, English Translator – no..I missed it.. it was not available and I am not at all interested reading it now.. because I have my experience which came from within… So no books needed for whitewash8:21 pm
mandar karanjkar – No, you are denying facts…..please read the book and then i will consider you eligible worth discussing.Edit8:23 pm
mandar karanjkar – you are talking of experience coming from within…..i will ask how many hours you meditate………Edit8:24 pm
Yashwant Kulkarni, Marathi, Hindi, English Translator – What makes you believe that book carries truth?
I am damn sure it would have been given all lamb excuses covered in more interesting things which have no interest and effect to nobody…

Of the meditation.. that I would not like to share here.. I did and I had all those experiences of Kundalini Jagran and Tritiy Netra and all that stuff which is useless.. completely a burden caused by meditation…8:27 pm

mandar karanjkar – My experiences differ…..i meditate and it has made my life bliss……i do not know anything about third eye and kundlini…its bogus…..you have percepted your own imaginations as kundlini……real meditation makes life bliss….i am proof. you got burdens out of meditation…i got bliss…thats is what we both were looking for :)Edit8:31 pm
mandar karanjkar – thats why ii asked…what is your interest…transformation or burdenEdit8:31 pm
Yashwant Kulkarni, Marathi, Hindi, English Translator – may be you havn’t got it enough.. this is just a starting.. I too felt Bliss and all those useless things except you .. those have no bearing on the world around us..

You just remember what I am saying when your head gets pressurized and you get blocked out.. and sudden bouts of energy explosion 24×7…
Do you feel this can be imagined all the time..? do you feel body also imagining ? all those symptoms of straight eyebrows and bubble on frontal lobe and continuous flow up to head can be imagined…
Do it right boy.. We will discuss it anytime.8:38 pm

mandar karanjkar – Yes…i am doing it right Mister….and for long time……you know, Buddha has said, you get what you search for………you were in very start looking for energy explosions and third eye,,…you got them….i am not looking for them…or for anything…i am just looking…without any projection….and what is coming, is bliss….Edit8:41 pm
mandar karanjkar – I guess, you ran away midway…afraid of burdens….Edit8:42 pm
Yashwant Kulkarni, Marathi, Hindi, English Translator – Ha..ha..ha.. run away midway? Where to run away.. from my body?
It gets sowed inside body when u meditate..
Meditation has certain impact on the body.. let alone your mentality…
Mentality is hammered in the beginning.. and then body..
At the last there is nothing at all.. just a body and consciousness at the last..

This is turning just a play of words… I will not be available here for next 1.5 hour..8:46 pm

mandar karanjkar – If there is just consciousness, from where comes the urge to prove someone fraud? I do not think consciousness has any such qualities inbuilt in it….it is pure…i will be also going for my dinner out…..posting this much conversation on my site….will have a further talk soon!Edit8:48 pm